Pre-Arranged Game in Area 7

[x21cwxasylum]

I seen this room up and knew it is against the rules set by TeamNF, I went in to this room and told them that they could not hold this room in Area 7 and that they need to go to Area 13 where it is allowed.

I was flamed and then banned from the room and then was unable to re-join the room because they locked it.

Clan Black was holding a pre-arranged battle in Area 7 and should be delt with occordingly.

All except for thier clan was banned from the room they created in Area 7 for pre-arranged battle.

http://members.cox.net/21cw/black.jpg

http://members.cox.net/21cw/black1.jpg

http://members.cox.net/21cw/black3.jpg

They also created more of the same rooms and did the same thing in Area 7.

[SmEdD]

What happen to delete option?

[Thorn006]

The battle between engage and black was not considered against the rules. We had asked mods before about these things and they said it was ok. Also since i was in the two battles, there was no ab going on.

I am not sure though on the black only rooms, but i believe that jac may have made a mistake when he created the room.

[x21cwxasylum]

This report only refers to the BLACK ONLY AB games.
The clan vs clan games are not even mentioned here.
The Black Only games were clearly AB and are against the rules unless made in Area 13.
The game jac made was not the first one.
There are two different rooms in the screen shots, but I was only able to get a screen of who was in the 2nd room before being banned out of it.
Jazza or someone was hosting the 1st I went in to and at least 10 of them was in that room when I told them AB's are only allowed in Area 13.

Anything restrictful besides no torp or the options given to you to restrict when you make the room is considered a AB and must be made in Area 13.

[Teledor]

Ok, there is a real problem with everyone crying AB all the time.

First off, for an AB battle to be off limits, someone has to be useing them for gain. How would the Black clan have been getting an "gain" on an AB battle amungst themselves. The answer.....They wouldn't, some would win, some would lose. That is the balance of things.

I am a member of Black. I know there to be enough members to have a good 10v10 to 15v15 match.

You have not proved anyone abuseing the system here.

You have not proved they were having internal matches.

While I was not online during these, and don't know what was going on, it could very well be that Jac just made a mistake in the making of that room.

Back to the note that it may have been internal matches. The question on AB games is: WHERE DOES IT STOP? The answer it doesn't. It is an opinion based concept. If all of those black players were friends in real life, did not have a tag, and made a room for themselves and booted you from it, you would not think twice about it.

Why should this be any different. Maybe we wanted a few friendly games between friends without outside interference and people always name calling and cursing. Maybe we wanted to have those friendly matched where everyone had a chance to at least make up the money that it would cost them to rebuild their ships, and those that play an awesome game don't lose out on all the money they could have gotten.


In closing. If you want to play a friendly game amoung your friends. Who is anyone to try and ruin that? If you are exploiting something, such as having people with multi accounts just sit in a room so you can get mass credits and points, that is the AB games that are illigal to use.

[x21cwxasylum]

You are missing what the rules say.
They can NOT make such rooms unless they are in Area 13 PERIOD.
When they make a room called BLACK CLAN ONLY or BLACK ONLY and then kick everyone from it that isn't in that clan it is considered AB unless it is in Area 13 PERIOD.


Read the rules.

[Teledor]

oh my, cry a damn river....

I never said that it wasn't against the rules.

I was voicing my opinion that the rules are worng and was demonstrating why.

Other than the fact that they wanted to play black clan only, there is nothing else there that you can say was wrong. They were not useing macros, gaining an advantage, or any other nonsense.

That is why I ask the question why? Why try to blow a whistle on it? They aren't hurting you. Are your panties just in that much of a bunch? If they had made that room over in an area that gives the same bonuses but is not widely played, you never would have known. Thus we come back to the question, why bother with this.

[x21cwxasylum]

Because it is against the rules that is why!
Now really lets just have a mod lock this thread and say something about it!
If you don't like the rules, DONT PLAY!!!

[papajohns]

theres no rules that says you cant play clan vs clan games in other areas than 13....i would like to know who told you that...

thats not considered AB games..

AB games are defined as games where the outcome is decided before the game starts....

all other games are fair game...

now..certain clan practices..if they are practicing some technique, and one team are not allowed to shoot back.... those are considered ab games..and hence limited to area 13...

thread is not gonna be closed yet until it starts going offtopic

[x21cwxasylum]

My report has nothing to do with clan vs clan.
It has everything to do with them holding a game practicing whatever they are practicing in an area other than 13 and kicking everyone but BLACK Fleet out of them.

[Psychosis]

Arranged battles MEAN THAT THE OUTCOME HAS BEEN DECIDED FROM THE BEGINNING. Black only meant skirmishing ourselves, which as far as I recall didn't even happen, we all left the room.

Papajohn's has spoken, end of story. Read what he has to say more carefully.

EDIT: I apologize for name calling, and have removed it.

[JAC4412]

ah yes. I have been waiting to find you. little 2178342176421378

anyways. FIRST OFF. THIS WAS NOT AN AB GAME. it was an area where I gather all the memebrs to meet and then make a engage vs. Black room. ANd flaming
?? wtf?? All I said was Black members only and banned you. Stop lying, you only make yoursleft look worse. Also,m if in that screenshot you took. Where is the flaming? What the hell are you talking about? obviously your proof isn't as good as it seems. And also, if you remember correctly since you want to be a mod so badly (=.=) your supposed to contatct a mod for a suspected ab game. They handle it, not you. Immedialty I pmed a mod and talked to him.

[x21cwxasylum]

Jac I wasn't talking about being flamed in the one YOU made.
It was the first one that jazza or whomever made called BLACK CLAN ONLY.
Anyways you can drop it now because as far as I can see all of Black is starting to post in defense of Black.

[JAC4412]

no dip, you made the accusation, now defend it. Either apologize for incomplete proof or keep it going. And as for the flaming?? What the hell? I made the room. dude, look at your ss. Wouldn't it say something there if I did say anything? And also if you watched it we left that room shortly after to go fight engage. You missed the point and jumped to a conclusion. Your not a mod, next time contact one before taking it into your own hands. It just made you look like an idiot. ANd who said anything about a pratice?? Unless you have esp or are a psychic how would you know what we were doing? AGauin, you should have brought in a mod. But then again, give a noob a chance. Man you got me pissed. Ur was also pretty mad too.

[LordMichael]

x21cwxasylum Im not a member of black (actually a member of Royal) but anyway

1. All clans used to use Trade rooms to meet up prior to battling another clan however it was brought to our attention on the NF forums that we where actually taking up most of the limited number of Trade rooms (only allowed 5 per area) and so we (royal) and many other clans now use battle rooms so all we do is take up space in area 7 (although sometimes we meet in adjacent areas its easier if we make the room in Area 7)

2. You didnt provide any proof of being flamed (however it might have happened I dont know and dont care)

3. easiest thing to do is contact a mod he will go into the room and see what is going on

4. Battles between members of the same clan arent classed as AB's however you do need a mod to witness the fight to make sure it is all fair and above board

5. Jac was perfectly within his rights as host to ban you as they where probably discussing strategies for their battle vs engage

[JAC4412]

THank you lord michael!

[KnightLancer]

Since the dude doesn't seem to understand what an Arranged Battle is, I will make it easy.

Player1: Hey man, let's go make a game, and your team won't do anything so we can win, and then next game, your team can just shoot our team, and we both make lots of money, okay? <- Basically like this but the grammar is worse.

This However, isn't an arranged battle:

Clan Leader: Okay guys, we're going to have a clan battle. Half of the clan goes to team A, half to team B, and try to be as equal as possible alright, or else I'll kick ya from the clan :P.

Clan Member: Lol

Clan Leader: Alright alright, may the best men (or women...but probably men) win!