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papajohns
06-28-2005, 03:32 PM
here are preliminary rules for clan vs clan matchup games up for review...

if you have some input..now is the time to give it.


the word party referred throughout the document represents a clan or allied
clans formed for a matchup.

1. The matchup will be overseen by a moderator.

2. The 2 parties can decide and agree on the rules of engagement and
winning factor for the challenge matchup. The 2 parties also have the
option of having the moderator decide the rules of engagement and
winning factor within 1 week (Rule 8). This will be agreed beforehand
and communicated to the moderator prior to game start. All issues
concerning the rules of engagement will be addressed prior to game
start and not after. The 2 parties will also agree on a time and date
where the matchup will occur, as long as a moderator can be present at
the said time. It is your responsibility in asking any moderators as
for their availability to oversee a match and agree on a particular
time and date for both parties and the moderator.

3. The rules of engagement will have been explained to the moderator
prior to game start and all ambiguities regarding interpretations of
the rules will be discussed prior to game start. After the match
begins, the moderator will make all calls as per agreed rules, and the
decisions he makes during the matchup as well as the winner of the
matchup will be final and not open for interpretations or arguments.
The result will then be filed and the clan ladder updated. The ladder
can be viewed on

http://www.giddieup.net/navyfield/portal/modules.php?name=Content&file=viewarticle&id=63

4. A lower ranked clan can decline a challenge by a higher ranked
clan. This is as to avoid "record pumping" behavior. ie. A higher
ranked party keeps challenging on a weaker party to pump their own
win/loose ratio to inflate their own records and improving their
ranking in the ladder.

5. A higher ranked party can not decline a challenge by a lower ranked
party. This is done to guard against high ranked parties protecting
their records to avoid slipping down in the ladder.

6. The 2 same parties can only engage in challenge matchups for a
maximum of 3 times a month. In the case of allied parties, any member
of one party can not have engaged any member of the opposing party
more than 3 times a month.

7. Once a challenge have been issued, the challenger should post the
challenge in either the official NF forum, or any of the moderator's
forums to serve as a time record for the date of the challenge issued.
If you did not post in any of the mentioned forums regarding your
challenge, you will not be able to enforce Rule 8 if the opposing
party refuses to accept the challenge. It is also your duty to
communicate to the other party as for the event via email, IM, ingame
chat, forum postings, or whatever other means at your disposal.

8. The 2 parties will have 2 week to settle the challenge from the
date of the challenge post. If there has been no matchup by then, the
challenger wins the matchup unless a) The 2 parties agree on an
extension or b) The matchup violates one of previous rules.

In case the 2 parties can not reach an agreement regarding the rules
of engagement and winning factor within 1 week, the 2 parties can
agree on letting the moderators decide such factors. The decision will
then be final and the 2 parties will play according to the rules the
moderators have laid out prior to game start.

9. The ladder rankings will then be used to determine seed/starting
positions for future clan wars.

Spoonman
07-18-2005, 11:47 AM
I forsee a problem with the "Higher ranking clans can not decline challenges" and the "Challenger wins if 2 weeks pass without the battle occuring" rules... I know many people like to go on extended vacations/have RL problems, and by placing these terms, a clan could successfully win by having the opposing clan's players not able all meet up. Just my two cents.

-Spoonman

papajohns
07-18-2005, 12:04 PM
2 weeks is plenty.........

and theres rule 8 saying u can extend the time if needs be..

Spoonman
07-18-2005, 12:09 PM
Errr the way I read rule 8 is that both clans have to agree for an extension to be in place. I would think if it was a noob clan vs CC or BIG EXP for example, and the vet clans couldn't get arranged in time, I wonder if a noob clan would really agree to an extension.

-Spoonman

P.S. I have to disagree with you on the 2 weeks thing, I definitely don't think that's long enough

papajohns
07-18-2005, 12:13 PM
so you are telling me that the entire clan can't play for 2 weeks? that you cant find enough people whatsoever in a clan to play within 2 weeks?

this might be a problem with clans that are new, but i find it hard to believe for a bigger clan thats ranked high.

dragging it out its just another tactic clans can use to keep their standings.

"oh..we cant do it this month, try again next month"

Spoonman
07-18-2005, 12:17 PM
It's more than that... If a clan wants to be the number one clan, have the recognition and creds that comes along with that, they'll want the best chance possible of winning. For that they'd need their best players/biggest guns on the map, which would be hard to arrange in less than 2 weeks if the players have other RL concerns.

-Spoonman

papajohns
07-18-2005, 12:22 PM
and they have to put in the time too..

they cant just get to #1 and then just say "if you want to play with us then you need to cater to our schedule, and if we dont like you, then we'll just make you wait till you get bored and move on"

everytime i hop to play i see plenty of ppl playing from clans like cc and bigexp...

you gonna have to come up with a better reason why 2 weeks is not long enough

Spoonman
07-18-2005, 12:29 PM
Hey, I'm not trying to make you change the rule or anything, it just seems like it's going to cause some problems. I don't even care, seeing as I'm not in a clan at the moment. I guess we'll just have to see how this thing turns out. Besides, it wouldn't be just catering to the clans schedule, it would be to the moderators as well. I have been online many times when a mod isn't in the game, and for certain with the time differences there are going to be matches that work for the clans, but not for the mod because it is 5am or something wherever he is.

-Spoonman