Are torps whores ruining the game?

[papajohns]

Okay.. for once for all...are people who just shoot like 20 torps a salvo ruining the game experience? yes or no?

[babs]

Well, I think they way they are implemented its quite unhistorical, but if they ruin the game? I dont know.

[Qizz]

Yes the current over use and mass amount of bugs involved with the torpedoes are screwing the game up. Torpedoes that blow up at the end of their run with the SPLASH damage of TAC NUKE are just stupid. NO Dudes no misfires no wild fish are highly inaccurate. ALso the reload times should be tripled to be more realistic. I get sick of dodging 24 torpedoes and then dieing 3 seconds in the game and getting 34 xp. Its just maddening and is killing my love for the game.

[papajohns]

the splash dmg is insane...thats so retarded...

[AssKommando]

:bash: I hate torp whores i mean those that ONLY use them and then retreat. BUT i like good players that combine guns and torps lets say when DP is Low or so.

[babs]

I agree with you completely Asskommando.

Unfortunatly the torp whores cannot be disabled since this will incur the good players also.

[TaKi]

I dont like ppl who getting those Japan UBER TORP Ships doing a Salvo with 15+ Torps Running out of the Map, reloading and fires again. Then they retreat .

I guess its riuns the Game cause its quit unrealistic and Naval Battles should never be just like that. Ppl who uses both are the Best balanced.

BUt the Problem ist the Gameplay. Gameplay allows no easier way to Gain XP and MOney. And its nearly the only one @ the Beginning. They have to to something about this. Not on the TOrps...

Just my 2 Cents.

Anyway. S! im new in your FOrums.:)

[Terminator]

I think that unless we do something about them, the torp whores will ruin the game.

A base this statement on the fact that noobs tend to suffer the most from them. The number of time I myself have been sunk by a torp whore acting alone can be counted on one hand (usually, they sink me when I am really damaged and have no manueverability). It is the noobs, who have yet to learn how to evade torps effectively, who usually get sunk, especially by the opening torp wall. This will probably turn them off. It would sure frustrate me. And without new players, the game will die.

[Priest]

Hey

torp whores just like armor whore could ruin the game but ppl have learned to dogde torps just like they will learn how to penetrate armor. I dont think they are a treat , but more of players u need to watch out for. They can be defeated.


Priest

[Saint]

1. Torps are unbalanced, and thats why they are used in excess at the moment.

2. Anyone who faces a challenge doesn't always quit. Most of the time it makes the game fun. Remeber beating your first console game. And then bored to death of playing it anymore cause you did. The same aspect applies here. A challenging game is a fun game.

3. Understand that there are 3 parts to every battle.

The early game

The early game is where most of the torp rushes happen. Learn to not run into the enemy fleets at this point. Lure the torp fire out so the those who love torps waste their ammo. Small running ships are good at this.

The mid game

This game is still torps, but not as it was in the early game. What i mean, is that there are not loads of torps crossing the screen from fleet "A" to fleet "B". Most of this game is gun fire and small deuls.

The late game
This game is where crippled ships are picked off, people retreat, or last minute duels.

Im most cases its the early part of the game decides the rest of the battle.

Splash damage is insane. And there are a few things i can think of that will make this fair. Either increase bulk armors effectiveness to avoid splash damage, or to allow the torps to deal none at all.

[intro94]

well they dont bother me that much,in the way that i dont get sink often by them,once every 2 days or more...but is a bit annoying when several shimas stack on the opposite team and blow half of my team away so i have to deal with them their team almost alone.At the other hand, when the opposite happens then the game is too easy as there are only a few dds to kill.Im not sure if they ruin the game but they simply are a bit overpowered for a young server.
they are overpowered because they are mostly meant, as team nf said, for young players to harm bigger ships and get some xp.But in this server,being most of players DDs with little protection and DP,is a way to kill them by dozens. Instead of being a weapon of DD vs bigger ship it is more a dd vs dd weapon,resulting in a frustating experience for young players.
As we get stronger, as it happened in asian servers, they lose power and only help young dds damage somehow bigger ships. I mean damage somehow because with the insane bulge,repair and DP BBs have they can barely scratch the bulge, and do 0 dmg with a dozen of torps. Even a good ca with good bulge can absorb many many torps before actually taking damage.If most players had such ships(as in HK) torp whores would feel extremely weak and forced to move on to bigger,harder to use,ships,as it happened.

[Focusix]

Just un sugestion, leave them spend money in torps, wen you star game just wait in your position, dont move, they fire torps because they think you are coming, but if you keep on your position when you start the game, the torps will blow up far far far away you, because you dont went directly crash the torps.
Remember, Slow displacement give you a very high adventage vs trops

i have seen people who use british boat and they dont have guns, they only have torps, thats a very bad player.

Off-Topic:
There's any way to blow up torps??? fire with my guns to the torps???
Could this be???

[Abared02]

I think I can speak to this pretty well cause I'am both a torp whore and earlier on was an anti torp whore. Most of the more veterand torpers dont specificly attack new players. Most have a policy of "you dont shoot me, I dont shoot you". What does get me angry though is those noob fletchers and Z's that rush out there with the fubuki's and shima's just to torp, because most of the time they are horrible at it and sink a few teammates, despite the fact they have guns they use almost only torps. Anyways. Yes torp whores do add a flare to the game. But I have noticed an increasing number of people know how to dodge torpedo's so I dont think it's killing it.

[SWPIGWANG]

Torp whores is why I play the game actually, so it is not anywhere near ruining my game.

I run a fubuki, so that kinda explains.

However, torpedos are not magic death rays. They actually had to be positioned and angled onto target, a target that tries active evasion. It is an very real skill to get torpedos on target and torpedo whores are by no means stupid as everyone can get access to torps if they wish. (some more than others)

Torpedo position and dodging is one of the major skills that a good NF player have to learn, often more important than good gunnery. The difference between player awareness is huge, as launching a unaimed 12 torp spread into a newbie <lv.20 neutral DD fleet can do 12k damage while attempting the same against experienced, lv30+ DD fleet usually causes some minor splash AT BEST, unless it is mutual slaying. (both sides charge into idea launch position and find themselves in an almost impossible to evade position due to enemy torp counters)

Torpedos are what keeps me on my toes and pay attention to the game rather than sitting comforablely in a gun line just pounding away. Running and countering a torp boat require good planning and strategy (crossing the T is vital), good guesses, and some use of terrain (clouds of death are wonderful for torpers, avoid) and great situation awareness. (whether the torper gets in position is everything)

Torpedos are actually great equalizers in that they do crippling damage to anything without tons of bulge, which is petty much every DD but some British ships. It is great to kill a shimakaze with a kagero because the shima made a mistake and moved into a spot perfect for torpedo attack.

My only beef with torpedo whores is that their ships are so fast compared to gun ships, allowing them to run away far too easily and really reduce their risk in making attacks. If a proper gun ship can move as fast as a torpedo whores, torpedo whores would probably just be another, usually defenseless target to kill rather than something that can attack while being almost untouchable.
wen you star game just wait in your position, dont move, they fire torps because they think you are coming, but if you keep on your position when you start the game, the torps will blow up far far far away you,
The best torp users try to flank north to cross the opposing team's T in a shallow angle, and fire only after seeing the shadows or closer (esp. in small games without CLs) and make roughly aimed spreads into their guess of where the enemy fleet will be in. This tactic would work against stupid torp users that launch outside LOS and run, but that is a torp wasting strategy to begin with.

I dont like ppl who getting those Japan UBER TORP Ships doing a Salvo with 15+ Torps Running out of the Map, reloading and fires again. Then they retreat .

I guess its riuns the Game cause its quit unrealistic and Naval Battles should never be just like that.
Well, there where battles where Japanese (and hell, American), DDs rush, launch a spread and retire. It happened in Guadacanal, it happened in Leyte, and it happens in Navyfield.

I'm sure there where alot of people calling for God to nerf Long Lance after losing a CA, 3 CA crippled for one DD sunk due to torp and scoot tactics used by the Japanese.....

[redsharkst]

the dumbest part is how in real warfare, a few hits is all it takes (not 100) like those bb salvos. guns take so many hits, but then torps are way uber deadly. WTF. the worst thing is that when i joined this dd game, about 1/4 of the players were tw's. i can force one tw away, but not 2. waht happens when tw's force all gun players to only play gun games? will it be tw games? thats pretty dumb. the only hope i have is that currently, players are getting better and better at dodging. some1 wanr n00bs; ive seen many charge in large games and die quickly, only encouraging tw's.

[papajohns]

poll been closed for a while..so time for this thread to die..

feel free to create another new poll about this matter.